A Letter to PETA

August 28, 2012  

By Laura Petrolino, VP of Operations

Many of you know of PETA’s unfortunate and illogical stance on “pit bull” type dogs. The following is an email correspondence between one of our longtime supporters and donors, Mina Yindra (Addie’s Mom) and PETA. With Mina’s permission, we felt it was important to publish this, not to slam PETA, but to show Mina’s exceptionally good response to their shortsighted and false assumptions about both pit bull type dogs and the people who wish to adopt them.

Since PETA is a well respected and trusted organization among many animal lovers, it is important for all of us, as a community of pit bull advocates, to understand their position when it comes to pit bulls and be prepared to discuss it with other animal lovers. Effective advocacy is about learning what the myths out there are, why they exist and why they are false. Hopefully this correspondence will be helpful should one of you encounter a question about PETA’s stance.

Mina had filled out a survey sent to her by PETA because she was a member of their Augustus Club (for people who are bequeathing all of their money to them). They were asking questions about how she thought the organization was meeting animals’ needs and as Mina says, “I answered them honestly, plus I mentioned that I was no longer going to bequeath them any money because of their treatment of pit bulls, including their support of Michael Vick.”

This was the response that Mina received:

Dear Mina,

I was forwarded your email regarding your concerns on PETA’s stance towards pit bulls. I hope you will read this email to gain the truthful understanding of PETA’s views, which are not against pit bulls – in fact many employees have rescued pit bulls, some who even come to the office, as well as the extraordinary work PETA does on behalf of pit bulls, and thus reconsider keeping PETA in your estate plans so that you may leave a legacy for the animals and help PETA end their suffering.

To clarify, PETA does not believe that every pit bull should be euthanized; PETA does, however, staunchly advocate a ban on the breeding of pit bulls (in fact, breeding any dogs should be illegal – millions must be put to death in animal shelters every year because of the tragic overpopulation crisis). PETA hopes that support of such laws will stop people from bringing more pits into the world to be fought, mistreated, and exploited.

PETA has come to this conclusion because of the work that PETA does – and will continue to do – to protect, defend, and improve the lives of pit bulls who are still being victimized, including dogs like Rikus, who was cowering in his doghouse with a hole exposing muscle and bone in one of his arms and whose face was swollen to the size of a melon, and 31-pound Asia, who was chained by a 14-pound rusty chain in a barren yard without food – a skeleton with skin stretched over it, in terrible pain and barely able to move (please see http://www.PETA.org/about/learn-about-peta/community-animal-project.aspx for her story). And dogs like Bear, suffering from flystrike, arthritis, a kidney stone, and painful skin lesions that his owners tried to cure by pouring motor oil all over him.

Over and over again, PETA rescues pit bulls like these from people who beat, starve, and neglect them; chain them to metal drums as “guard” dogs; or train them to attack people and fight other animals to the death. We remove them from abusive homes and contact prosecutors in cruelty cases in their behalf. PETA speaks out against dog fighting and encourage members and supporters to do so (http://www.PETA.org/issues/animals-in-entertainment/dogfighting.aspx), and PETA subsidizes spay and neuter surgeries for pit bulls in our area (http://www.PETA.org/about/learn-about-peta/SNIP.aspx). PETA’s doghouse program (http://www.PETA.org/doghouse) provides free houses for dogs like Rikus, Asia, and Bear, who languish outside without any protection from the elements. PETA also maintains a fund specifically for helping pit bulls (http://www.PETA.org/features/help-pit-bulls-in-need-donate-today.aspx).

Are some pit bulls loving companions? Absolutely! But PETA must consider that people who have good intentions rarely come to a shelter to adopt pit bulls; almost without exception, those who want pit bulls are attracted to the “macho” image of the breed as a living weapon and seek to play up this image by putting the animals in heavy chains, taunting them into aggression, and leaving them outside in all weather extremes in order to “toughen” them. There is no denying that pit bulls are at a higher risk of suffering a horrible fate. For more thoughts on this issue, please go to http://www.PETA.org/b/thepetafiles/archive/2009/07/21/PETAs-Position-on-Pit-Bulls.aspx.

Thank you again for giving us the opportunity to respond to your concerns. To learn more about helping homeless companion animals, please visit http://www.PETA.org/issues/companion-animals/default.aspx.

Please let me know if I can be of further assistance in this matter or if you have further questions regarding animal related issues, PETA, and planned giving.

Sincerely,
Name Removed
PETA Foundation

Here is Mina’s extremely well thought out response:

I read through the links that functioned, more material on your website and other facts related to what PETA is currently doing in reference to pit bulls.

First, I have to say it is demeaning and patently false to say that “almost without exception” people looking to adopt pit bulls are doing so for nefarious purposes. I specifically went to adopt them – because they are the most abused and need the most help. I know hundreds of people, literally, who have adopted other pit bulls because they know what a wonderful, goofy, loving dog they can have as their family companion. Are there sadistic idiots who go after these dogs? Of course – but I thought the whole point of animal protection and rights is to keep the animal safe (but not obliterate them in the process). From what I have recently heard about the almost complete kill rate at the Norfolk “shelter,” this seems to be forming a sickening pattern. Are there truly people now running PETA that believe it is better to kill all the animals who MIGHT have a bad outcome instead of working to save them and produce the best outcome possible?

I am also a staunch believer in never, ever breeding an animal and spaying or neutering every one possible. I don’t have any problem with this core philosophy … but why must you make it so flagrant that you are directing it towards pit bulls? Is it not sufficient to say you want this for all companion animals and not single the pit bulls out? Just by naming them as your target you send a message that they are a “bad” breed.

I don’t see specific efforts directed in favor of pit bulls by PETA. What I see, unmistakably, is an ongoing effort to eradicate them – plain and simple. You can couch it in all the terms you choose, set up funds for dogs you have vowed to eliminate and then place dog houses outside for animals that should, instead – in the old PETA tradition – be removed from anyone who keeps their dog this way.

This has been a very heartbreaking road for me. I have been with PETA since its inception practically, and I still believe in most of the animal rights philosophies you espouse. The organization was such a huge part of my life that I wanted to leave everything I had to you; now, I find I cannot in good conscience support these new ideological twists of illogical behavior and lack of heart. I have wavered back and forth, donating money for your new animal rescue van, going to protests and continuing to send a small monthly donation to the animal rescue fund, as well as donating to your online causes. Trying to tear myself away has been wrenching for me, but it will not be any longer. I don’t know what has happened to PETA, where it started to change, but the things I have discovered in the course of researching this are disturbing, to say the least.

The final moment that has completely torn me away was when I saw you sent a representative from PETA to the Maryland hearing on BDL in order to SUPPORT the discriminatory laws they had just passed against a specific breed of dog. I absolutely could not believe what I was seeing – yet, there she was, on the media reports and being used as a poster child for maintaining the hateful legislation. You know – “If PETA, that notorious animal rights group, agrees with this law then it must be the right thing to do.” You handed some truly rotten people, who have now caused the killing and abandonment of hundreds of pit bulls and all other dogs who bear even a small resemblance to them, the PETA stamp of approval! How could this have happened, how?

Not only am I removing PETA as the recipient of my inheritance, but I am also discontinuing my monthly support payments. I will not disseminate PETA messages online or contribute to their causes. Perhaps, someday, whatever insanity and hatred that has gripped PETA will be resolved and you will go back to doing what we all set out to do – ensuring EQUAL RIGHTS FOR ALL LIVING CREATURES. Unless and until that happens, I and so many, many others, will have no further association with you. And, as I said, this has truly been heartbreaking for me … but not enough to continue to support a group that is seeking the obliteration of an entire breed/type/class of dog and all the other dogs who get caught up in the crossfire.

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Thank you Mina!

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Comments

192 Responses to “A Letter to PETA”
  1. Very well spoken! If more people stood up to PETA the environment would change for the better.  In my opinion PETA is an opportunistic organization with selfish motives. 

  2. klp2b8 says:

    Thank you, Mina!  You touched a lot of areas that many people are questioning about PETA.

  3. adoremydogs says:

    I also purposely searched the rescue sites for “Pit Bull” dogs, now have the awesome companionship of two, because of the abuse, negativity, and undeserved reputation forced upon them.   My babies will NEVER be “fought, mistreated, and exploited”.  Once upon a time, I supported PETA, until I learned the ugly truth of what they do with pets turned over to them. What a rude awakening!  
    Thank you Mina for being a great voice for these dogs and all pets!

  4. DianaJones says:

    BRAVO!!

  5. kcasey54 says:

    Thank you, Mina. I have three pit bulls and have worked in rescue to find homes for these wonderful dogs. I, too, have problems with PETA and believe that their bottom line is that dogs should not be kept as companion animals! They have gone after pit bulls because they are an easy target given their bad rep in today’s society. Great job! Thanks for standing up for my pups.

  6. sharynglow says:

    And a rescue worker, I have adopted out many pit bull dogs over the years to loving families.  PETA needs to get their head out of the sand.  Take a walk through my town and you’ll see awesome people all around with their pit bulls.  I regret all the money I have given to them in the past.  Well done Mina!

  7. sharynglow says:

    I no longer support PETA for the same reason.  Beyond their disturbing stance towards pit bulls, in general their anti-no kill stance is disturbing as well as the statistic that they KILL almost all of the animals that come into their shelter.  So in reply to this letter above bragging about all the animals they rescue from terrible situations . . . I would love to know, what happens to those pit bulls?  Chances are, PETA “euthanizes” them.  They believe they are helping them, I do believe that, but I think they are giving up on them. 

  8. jennmartinelli says:

    Thank you Mina. I have hated PETA for years because they do not seem to actually be very interested in helping animals anymore, if they once were, and seem instead to just want publicity and attention.Their position toward pit bulls is particularly disturbing, and their very high kill rate of those animals they do take in is also disturbing.Thank you for your very well written and thoughtful response. And although it was hard for you, thank you for relinquishing your support of this organization when they are behaving so cruelly.

  9. Courtanne says:

    Wonderful response Mina!

  10. macmac says:

    I’ve never liked PETA and this gives even more reason for my dislike.

  11. macmac says:

    Mina, I’m looking at Addie right now on my StubbyDog calendar! Your response is wonderful.  And there are so many other worthwhile organizations that need donations.  (PS:  did they really support Michael Vick?)

    • MinaYindra says:

      macmac Yes, Ingrid Newkirk said “comebacks and redemption can happen” when asked about The President making the “way-to-go” call to Vick. Really?? They have tried to back pedal many times since. I just found out they were actually going to use him in a PSA ad until they realized it was going to cost them a lot of trouble.

  12. SusanLawrence says:

    Mina, I support your speaking out and I think/hope pulling your support will be heard at PETA headquarters. I agree with all you wrote, and I am completely shocked and disappinted to find out PETA supported BSL anywhere (and after this post, I will go write my own letters to try and shame somebody there!). On the other hand, I want to find a way to look past the misguided and hurtful PETA actions that take a bite out of the Stubby mission, because so much of what PETA does is very valuable for all kinds of animals. Like us, they want humans to step up. I think they do really care about the animal’s experience and life quality above all else – though in this case, what a blundering and unfortunate way of showing it. Anyway I’m glad your experience is being shared so people can know what the conversation needs to be about.

  13. HollyMcClean says:

    I was once crossing the street on lower 5th Avenue wearing a fake fur and the PETA people  who had a stand on the street were making nasty remarks because it was “leopard”.I have always thought they were hypocrites and had a superior attitiude towards everyone that isn’t them.I eat meat, I wear farmed fur and leather and I own a my second Staffie ,aka pitbull because they are the best dogs.When I got my first Staffie in South Africa and until coming home I never even knew they were related to what we refer to as “pitbulls” which is not even a “real” breed .There, all my friends dogs were family pets and nothing else and given that option that is what they are.When people ask me what kind of dog I have I say “She’s an American Staffordshirebull Terrier”. When I talk to her, she’s my “goodly girl”.

  14. BeckyKennedyMunson says:

    I’ve disliked PETA for a long time for many reasons, but mostly because they really are a bunch of hypocrites! We can’t eat food animals because its cruel; but its ok for their “shelter” to put more effort into euthanasia than re-homing? Their priorities are ass backward. This is an EXCELLENT example of how hypocritical this group is and an amazing response. BRAVO!

  15. LoisWright says:

    I never cared for PETA.

  16. willowwonderbull1 says:

    Thank you for bringing this to light.  PETA has stepped beyond it’s own beliefs. It’s extremist ways needs to be exposed to the public.  Thank you making that stance!

  17. VGailPrice says:

    I will be honest I do not completely agree with the process of no breeding what so ever. This to is a factor in my thoughts of what the future for dogs and cats will be, say when my grandchild have children (which is yet a while away) I do however STRONGLY area with the spaying & neutering of EVERY SINGLE household pet, EVERY SINGLE show dog (dogs don’t need to have Balls to be pretty) EVERY SINGLE working dog, EVERY SINGLE any dog of any breed unless they are registered and vet approved for Breeding .I believe there should stricter laws for breeding allowances as well as stricter punishment for those who break them, like puppy mills.  I would however be in  favor of a BREEDING BAN (not to be confused with Breed ban, such as BSL) until the numbers in shelters go down say like 5 years with the option to review and see where we stand.                                             As far as PETA and pitbulls I will try to keep myself on the *show your intelligence track here* Well honestly I can’t say it nice so I’ll just say it like this, somewhere along the line someone got to be in charge that said hey, if we eradicate dogs this problem is solved and pitbulls are big news, famous groups and people’s opinions are always an influence as to how others think so they had to take a stance somewhere. They took the wrong one, of all the dogs in this country A WAR HERO …. is being slated for inhalation.  They should be America’s Dog a status symbol, instead those that choose NOT to look at them as anything but a Breed are trying to turn them into a disgrace. They are *The American Pitbull Terrier* for a reason, that name has been long standing & in my opinion deserves respect not disgust.                                                                                                                         This is all so sad because no matter how loud we cry out it seems as though now all of us have to watch out for *wolves in sheeps (or should I say pitbull) clothing* amongst ourselves. We are no longer fighting just against the dog fighters & other degenerate owners, we now have to watch our backs and where our dollars go more than ever, please do not let all this deter you from adopting or donating, just be smart and do your homework before you click that button on a chip in or donate to a group or cause, we can not afford to put money in the pockets of the bad guys any longer.                                                                                                                                             The money wasted on PETA alone in a year I am sure could save MANY homeless animals or help fund the defense for a dog unjustly ceased. Bless the Bully’s of the World <3

  18. MelanieIsaacs says:

    Cannot stand PETA whatsoever, for many more reasons than this. I’m glad more people are realizing what a money-grabbing, extremist group they are and are not supporting them any longer.I disagree with a breeding ban or a moratorium on breeding for X number of years. For one it would be completely impossible to enforce and i enjoy owning a dog thanks and would like to continue to do so into the future. If you could effectively stop breeding for 5 years that would be the end of dogs forever. They only have a few years of age that they can be safely bred. There are ethical responsible breeders out there that are not contributing to shelter numbers and they should be promoted and supported, and the general public educated about how to find such a breeder. If every person who bred dogs was like them, shelters wouldn’t exist.

    • VGailPrice says:

      MelanieIsaacs … Melanie do you realize how many HOMELESS animals there are in this country .. once they are homed and the overpopulation problem is solved I see no reason to not continue breeding with stricter laws so it does not start all over again. (I did not say spay every dog I said spay/neuter everything BUT those who can pass what should be new regulations for breeding in this country. My idea’s are not perfect because I am not perfect but at least I am thinking of ways to help the situation for ALL companion animals … every dog & cat.. no matter there breed (or Mix of) should be in a home with love & the proper care and we should have no more need for kill shelters in this country .. until I see that happen I will keep my opinion and spread it loudly & even if I don’t agree with you I will continue to fight for you to have the same right ;)

      • MelanieIsaacs says:

        VGailPrice MelanieIsaacs VGailPrice, I do know how many animals are homeless – I am directly involved in rescue here in Australia and know many many ethical rescuers. All my animals are rescued. I just know that the two aren’t mutually exclusive. Great breeders and rescue TOGETHER acheive a better outcome for all dogs.Your idea is fundamentally flawed as it can’t physically happen. Even if you could successfully stop Ll breeding for 5 years, dogs would become extinct, and genepools of those left would be incredibly small, resulting in unhealthy dogs. Dogs are only safely able to be bred for about 3-4 years of their lives!

        • VGailPrice says:

          MelanieIsaacs VGailPrice  ok first off I don’t need you to insult me and tell me how flawed my idea’s are evidently you are no expert either or you’d have better things to do with your time that argue this .. did you see me not say that if the homeless could be homed in shorter time then I could see lifting the ban … and don’t tell me its not enforceable IF this was something the government gave a shit about you can bet your ass it would be very enforceable … second I can see from your post now that your argument is not about saving all dogs, its about being able to breed and have pure breeds, which by the way means NOTHING .. shame on you if you have rescue dogs for thinking this way … say we could home every dog in need in two years … I’m sure there are MANY puppies of the world at all venue’s who could still be of breeding age (and hopefully breeding standard) i 2 years, I understand people wanting to have the option to buy but something has to change because thousands are dieing each year and the end of it is not coming anytime soon… honestly and I don’t care what you think, I am a realist and Love my dogs with every thing I am BUT would rather see dogs gone than to continue to watch there existence be what it is today. Besides there are VERY MANY lovely PURE breed dogs in shelters and rescues EVERYWHERE .. we’re proof our Creed who passed in 2010 was abandoned at his animal hosp. by his owners, he was a bought & paid for dog (supposedly worth 1500.00 dollars) the vet had known him his whole life (almost a year old when we got him)  he was abandoned because of surgery cost because they were to dumb to use a crate when not with him & he kept eating things he shouldn’t. Now lets try this again … I do not need you to attack my idea’s they are just that .. were all suppose to be talking here and giving idea’s as we get them … get a grip its not like I have the power to stop anyone from breeding … its just an internet message board with a bunch of people you will never meet. Seriously just a year of banning breeding would help those stuck with no one and no where to go and it would also HELP even more if we could get laws against just every willy nilly breeding his/her dog .. so now I’m done with this unless you have something more to say that isn’t telling me how dumb you think I am or how unrealistic my thoughts are. … they are just that, Thoughts and Idea’s.

        • VGailPrice says:

          MelanieIsaacs Besides this is not suppose to be about us and our wants anyway its suppose to be about whats best for the dogs and I know there are a lot f opinions and views on the subject BUT I can’t see anything better than homing every last shelter dog … never having to look at, meet or cry for another puppy mill dog … and to ultimately become a no kill nation <3

        • MelanieIsaacs says:

          VGailPrice MelanieIsaacs Yeah ok, I didn’t insult you at all, I just said your argument is fatally flawed. And it is. Doing as you have said would end the domestic dog. Fact. I note you insulted me plenty of times though. No, it’s not enforceable. So what about the people who can’t or won’t desex their dogs. What do we do? Seize the dogs and put them in the pound? Great result. What about pups that are born as there is no way you can regulate every single dog in an entire country. Seize them too and also put them in the pound? Also a great result. What you are suggesting would not only end domestic dogs, it would drive up shelter intakes, all while costing billions of dollars for no result. What you are suggesting is proven not to work. mandatory desexing is proven not to work. It does not reduce pound intakes in any considerable way. What DOES work is education, incentives for doing the right thing, low cost desexing, having enforceable and sensible regulations on breeding and encouraging the great breeders to continue doing what they’re doing. All my animals are rescues and all of them are mutts. I’ve got nothing against cross bred dogs. I do know that the ethical breeders tend to breed purebred dogs, because they are passionate about their breed. I also know that one of the main reasons that dogs end up in pounds is that they failed to meet the owners expectations. Pure bred dogs are predictable and if homed by ethical breeders who don’t allow tem to go to an unsuitable home, they are unlikely need too much exercise, grooming, attention etc than the owner can provide. That means happy harmony and less dogs in pounds. There are heaps of breeds I couldn’t bear to live with. If I ended up with one, I’d step up to the plate because I am passionate about dogs but a lot of people can’t and won’t. Sourcing a dog that has exercise and grooming requirements and temperaments that suits them reduces the likelihood of that dog ending up at the pound hugely. Every ethical rescuer I associate with is in agreeance that great breeders are an asset, not a hindrance, and are not adding to the problem they are constantly trying to fix. A lot of those breeders also do breed rescue as well.

        • VGailPrice says:

          MelanieIsaacs VGailPrice No you fine the hell out of them until they comply you do not just roll over and say Nothing will work while THOUSANDS DIE !! and again Stopping breeding for a year as I resuggested would NOT end dogs forever .. and here in the USA we have in probably just about every state/county. A county run office that takes care of records for rabies and license so why has no one thought to create a program that alerts these offices when a dog is not spayed or neutered, there is also word of mouth, here it usually is that o one checks anything not even for rabies shots unless someone makes a complaint on the dogs behalf, so if there was a mandatory spay/neuter law people could actually turn in those who do not comply and sadly yes this can mean some dogs will end up in shelters BUT the fines will deter people from getting yet another dog and doing it again … I don’t know what its like in Australia and if its different than here I can see why we are so off base with eachother but we have pet stores across our nation getting there animals from puppy mill supplies and selling them as healthy pure breed’s …. we have just about any idiot with a dog unwilling to spend the money to fix there dog and having litter after litter with no where to go. You can say all you want about good breeders but remember you are in Australia and you must fight in whatever ways you see fit in your country for the situation your in …. Here in the US breeding needs t stop until we are NOT killing thousands a year .. Period .. I never claimed to know how this would work or be enforced but by saying it out loud how do we know someone who does will not be brought to teh idea and help figure it out … Bless you for taking in the dogs you have & loving them and being a GOOD OWNER … but you can not realistically help us here, the same as we can not realistically help you there and I’m thinking not only do we think a bit different but we also live in diff. circumstances … However I will say it again … We see way less good breeders here, way to many puppy mills full of horrible tortures & of course the plight of my Beloved breed *The American Pitbull Terrier* to not want stricter breeding ability laws and to try and find a way to see that EVERY household pet is spayed/ neutered if we ever want to see an end to the pits filled with dead dogs set on fire (per many of our shelter practices with the countless bodies) and not even afforded a burial in this country. 

          • Tabitha says:

            Please educate yourself on the No-Kill Initiative. Reading what Melanie says isn’t necessarily easy, but it IS absolutely true. Mandatory spay/neuter is not feasible. In theory it sounds fabulous, but IT HAS FAILED IN EVERY SINGLE INSTANCE. The numbers are out there; do your own research. Do I think everyone should alter their pets? Sure. But low cost clinics and education ARE the answer, and most if us working in rescue know that.

  19. Miznoone says:

    “Almost without exception”? There is no empirical data whatsoever to support this prejudice against pitbulls and their guardians – which PETA perpetuates.  It has clearly lost its way as an organization. I know some regard Ingrid Newkirk as some kind of heroine, but I think her time has passed. Whatever vision she originally had – it has gotten lost in lust for attention and power. Frankly, I also question whether PETA has any real commitment to companion animals, beyond spay-and-neuter – or whether they just hang around for the attention-grabbing headlines.Ingrid was on NPR recently, lambasting San Francisco ACC for its new WOOF program – a risky but innovative and obviously very carefully thought through approach. Shelter animals need creative thinkers, but it seems all Ingrid and PETA want is to spay, neuter, or euthanize them. Mina, thank you for taking a courageous stand. I can only imagine what a struggle this has been for you. PETA is no friend to companion animals, period. That they single out pitbulls for special “attention” (read: annihilation) is disappointing, but not surprising.

  20. tkdyer says:

    Pet overpopulation is a myth!  #NoKillNation and PETA kills!

  21. tkdyer says:

    Pet overpopulation is a MYTH. PETA kills is NOT a myth.#NoKillNation

    • VGailPrice says:

      tkdyer I hope that was a sarcastic response as pet overpopulation is no where near a myth.

      • MaryMcMahon says:

        VGailPrice tkdyer No, it is a myth, in the widely believed but untrue category.

        • BeccaFergusonWatson says:

          Actually, pet over population is a myth.  Spay and Neuter is still VERY
          important….but the SALES of animals in pet store and puppy mills is
          what is KILLING shelter animals…..https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=381288575270605&set=a.332660150133448.78069.233080773424720&type=3&theater Facts are facts: Between
          2 and 3 million healthy pets will die in U.S.A. shelters this year. 17
          million new puppies and kittens will be purchased from U.S.A. breeders
          and pet stores this year. THERE ARE ENOUGH HOMES. They just blame the
          public to protect their money.  Start paying attention to Nathan
          Winograd and the No Kill Nation….

        • BeccaFergusonWatson says:

          VGailPrice  MaryMcMahon Actually, pet over population is a myth.  Spay and Neuter is still VERY
          important….but the SALES of animals in pet store and puppy mills is
          what is KILLING shelter animals…..https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=381288575270605&set=a.332660150133448.78069.233080773424720&type=3&theater Facts are facts: Between
          2 and 3 million healthy pets will die in U.S.A. shelters this year. 17
          million new puppies and kittens will be purchased from U.S.A. breeders
          and pet stores this year. THERE ARE ENOUGH HOMES. They just blame the
          public to protect their money.  Start paying attention to Nathan
          Winograd and the No Kill Nation….

        • VGailPrice says:

          MaryMcMahon VGailPrice tkdyer  please explain that to me because the fact that thousands of dogs a year are dieing here in the USA and the fact that the state I live in sadly is one of the worst for puppy mill activity please enlighten me !!!!!

    • Judithg says:

      tkdyer Thank you!  This needs to get out to the populace so they are not under the same deception that many are under.

      • tkdyer says:

        tkdyer    Again - How many dogs and cats enter shelters annually? 8 million. (Some put it as low as 6 million, but I am going to use a “worst case” scenario.)Of those how many are savable? 90 percent or just over 7 million.Of those how many will be saved? 4 million.How many of the savable animals are killed? 3 million.How many need to find new homes? If shelters are doing their jobs comprehensively, just over 2 million (3 million on the high end). The remainder should be increased reclaims or in the case of feral cats, TNR’d .Other than those who will adopt from a shelter as a matter of course (those saved above), how many people in the U.S. are looking to bring a new dog or cat into their home next year but have not decided where they will get the animal and can be influenced to adopt from a shelter? 17 million. So, 17 million people for 2-3 million dogs and cats.

  22. BeccaFergusonWatson says:

    @http://www.livefyre.com/profile/4630146/ Actually, pet over population is a myth.  Spay and Neuter is still VERY important….but the SALES of animals in pet store and puppy mills is what is KILLING shelter animals…..https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=381288575270605&set=a.332660150133448.78069.233080773424720&type=3&theater Facts are facts: Between 2 and 3 million healthy pets will die in U.S.A. shelters this year. 17 million new puppies and kittens will be purchased from U.S.A. breeders and pet stores this year. THERE ARE ENOUGH HOMES. They just blame the public to protect their money.  Start paying attention to Nathan Winograd and the No Kill Nation….

  23. millerp says:

    Shame on you PETA.  I am truly disappointed in the turn you have taken against some animals.  Your duty as animal protectors should be to include all animals, not just those that you deem worthy.  I also withdraw my support from your organization.  I had heard things that I didn’t like before and written to you about them, and was giving you the benefit of the doubt, but no longer after this revelation.  Again, you should be ashamed of yourselves.

  24. tenn5 says:

    A month ago I went into the humane society to visit, and left with my very first Pit Bull. I wasn’t looking for any dog at all that day, but after following so many Pit Bull type blogs such as Our Waldo Bungie, Stubbydog, Love and a six foot leash, and a few others, I have learned so much about the bread and that I knew I could love them. I introduced my husband to some of these blogs, and read so much about them to him, when we saw our newest little guy, we fell in love immediately. Before reading about Pit Bulls from blogs like this one, my husband and I believed some of the stigma that PETA has flung in their email. I have seen so many dogs who were NOT Pit Bulls being treated terribly, left on chains for weeks at a time, in outside kennels barely big enough for them to turn around in. Mina, thank you for letting us read PETA’s response to you, and thank you for letting us read your email back to them. I have never given them any money, and don’t plan to until they change their ways. My local shelter will continue to have my full support!

    • tenn5 Thank you so much for sharing this! We obviously love stories like this at StubbyDog and would love for you to share it with our community! If interested, email me @[email protected]

  25. sillyfox4lyfe says:

    @ Mina, instead of leaving your inheritance to PETA, you should leave it to Villalobos Rescue Center, that would be awesome.

    • Judithg says:

      sillyfox4lyfe Or Badrap.  They are a fabulous organization.  Or Carolina Care Bullies.  So many who love and cherish the pit. 

  26. ValerieSherman says:

    When my Lacy was about 6 and walking with me through a “Wednesday Night Market” event with a muzzle because she had gotten into trouble with the local animal control by getting out, I passed a PETA table. The representative there said, “poor dog, she would be better off euthanized than living like that in captivity” REALLY??  She was muzzled because of an ordinance, it was a soft basket muzzle because AC didn’t specify what kind of muzzle, just a muzzle in public outside of my car in that county, so I muzzled her. She could pant, bark and drink water in that muzzle. She is 13 this October, so that was 7 years ago..she is dearly loved and we’ve invested much energy, tears and cash into this beloved family member. I will NEVER support PETA..that encounter was the LAST STRAW for me..there were many before that were a little bit too politically autocratic for me and mine. There were a few news stories in previous years that made me question, but that encounter was it for me. My dog will be euthanized when she can no longer enjoy being a dog..which could be soon..but until then we are so grateful we have her in out lives. PETA has lost my trust for sure.

    • ONE4Animals says:

      ValerieSherman This was horrible for you! How dare they! I’m totally done with PETA..and I’m spreading the word!

  27. iancuuu says:

    “I thought the whole point of animal protection and rights is to keep the animal safe (but not obliterate them in the process).”That’s what most people think. That is not, however, what PETA stands for. They believe that the “institution” of pet ownership and of domestication is imoral and should be eliminated. They support the banning of breeding dogs and of owning pitbulls, because they believe that humans do not have  right to exercise ownership over other living beings. They think having a pet is wrong. Bottom line. “Are there truly people now running PETA that believe it is better to kill all the animals who MIGHT have a bad outcome instead of working to save them and produce the best outcome possible?” Yes! Not only people running it now, but the founder of PETA, Ingrid Newkirk, has said just that. They believe that the 90%+ kill rate at their “shelter” is necessary because dogs are better off dead than being forced into what they believe is slavery- being owned by a human. They honestly think they are freeing dogs from an unjust and terrible life sleeping on someone’s couch because they believe it is slavery. 

    • VGailPrice says:

      iancuuu sounds to me a bit like the mother who kills her child because she thinks she’s setting it free in heaven ??? I don’t care what they believe because frankly we as humans did this to dogs and it is our responsibility to fix it not destroy them.

    • jennmartinelli says:

      iancuuu I agree with you. Ingrid Newkirk is insane and their radical doctrine is beyond anything resembling sense.

    • ONE4Animals says:

      iancuuu OMG!

  28. TristanLuke says:

    This kind of infighting is sad, as are the comments beneath the article in which people argue back and forth.  We live in the darkest age of cruelty toward animals.  Whole populations are raised and tortured unimaginably, for reasons completely unjustifiable. PETA and other organizations like it really do their best to address these horrors, on behalf of the feeling creatures in factory farms and testing labs that don’t have a voice.  I also disagree with PETA’s language on that “almost without exception” quote, and it’s too bad it’s costing them this lady’s inheritance.  When you see people using the term “extremist group” however,  you know you are in the company of those who don’t know what the fuck they are talking about.  There is nothing more extremist than the established and in many cases government subsidized industries that perpetrate horrifying crimes against feeling mammals daily, including canines in testing labs by the way, of a kind so heartbreaking it is difficult to apprehend it.  Since they are USDA approved or major corporations, etc, there’s a tacit implication that this somehow legitimizes them.  This is the extreme inequity, one that mirrors economic and political insanity and dishonesty of our time also by the way, that we should concern ourselves with.  The most extremist, deviant and perverse groups, folks, are the ones with the red white and blue seal of approval. Honestly, I suspect this whole debate is a ruse; it’s an attempt at avoidance.  If you buy factory farmed meat and use products tested on animals, you might have a less than conscious reason to oppose PETA, or call them extremist.  In fact, you don’t want to face the horrors you are contributing to daily,  horrors that make this issue about pit bulls and this lady’s inheritance look fun in comparison.  Let’s focus on the real issues and make changes in our own lives and buying habits that start to change this, okay?  That’s where the real responsibility lies.

    • 4NoKill says:

      TristanLuke I am a veg. working on going vega, I do not wear fur, or buy products tested on animals. And I think PETA is full of crap!! They kill 97% of the companion animals that enter their “shelter!” They oppose No Kill even though it could save the lives of Millions of animals, they are for mandatory spay/neuter which has been on the books in several cities for decades and has yet to work, as this post states they are for BSL, they are against TNR of feral cats because according to “Sweet Dilusional” Ingrid Newkirk they are better off dead than feral… Really??  I also work as a vet tech, i volunteer my time to animal rescue helping promote the No Kill Equation, and give my last time for animals in need, sign my name to petitions that help animals. And beleive that ALL LIFE is precious, not just the select few PETA will get a headline from.. So tell me what part of my life I need to change??

    • 4NoKill says:

      TristanLuke I am a vegetarian. working on going vegan, I do not wear fur, leather, wool, or buy products tested on animals. And I think PETA is full of crap!! They kill 97% of the companion animals that enter their “shelter!” They oppose No Kill even though it could save the lives of millions of animals, they are for mandatory spay/neuter which has been on the books in several cities for decades and has yet to work, as this post states they are for BSL, they are against TNR of feral cats because according to “Sweet Dilusional” Ingrid Newkirk they are better off dead than feral… Really?? I also work as a vet tech, i volunteer my time to animal rescue helping promote the No Kill Equation, and give my last dime for animals in need, sign my name to petitions that help animals. And beleive that ALL LIFE is precious, not just the select few PETA will get a headline from.. So tell me what part of my life I need to change??

      • MinaYindra says:

        4NoKill TristanLuke I respect your positions. Tristan and you are actually in agreement on a lot of things and I believe the only real obstacle is the word PETA. Tristan is understandably angry- I always was, particularly as a younger person with so much energy and moral rectitude on my side… and, as I said, I was always a supporter of their positions until I found out about the Pit Bulls and then the shelter euthanizations. I believe ALL animals have the same equal rights to be free from fear, torture, being used for our entertainment and being placed in dangerous foreign environments for our profit-making. Covance Laboratories, right down the street from where I live, does horrific lab tests on dogs every day- as well as primates, rats, mice and who knows what else (oh yes, cats too). There is no excuse for any of this, just like there is no excuse for Michael Vick and his “redemption” after what he did. And 4NoKill, you live your life in an admirable way and you have the same philosophy all three of us do- that ALL life is precious. You don’t have to change anything about yourself! I have found though, as I have progressed through so many years on this front, that I find more and more things personally unacceptable to me and yet I find the one organization that supposedly shared my philosophies years ago apparently off the deep end! There are other groups out there working just as hard for what Tristan, you and I all want- but they don’t believe in destroying animals to “save” them or supporting breed discriminatory laws to drive them out of a state and into euthanasia rooms by the hundreds and will be thousands eventually. I hope everyone can focus on how you are all doing a wonderful job for the animals to the best of your ability- and if you ever progress o firmer feelings about new levels of what you can’t tolerate, we will all be thrilled.

        • Judithg says:

          MinaYindra Remember euthanasia is done out of compassion when an animal is sick, old or in pain.  These animals are not being euthanized, although it’s a prettier word than killing.  However, when animals are systematically given the needle or gassed, shot or whatever they are currently doing, its called killing.

        • TristanLuke says:

          @MinaYindra Thank you so much for your thoughtful response to my post.  Honestly, I didn’t know much about the PETA policies you guys describe.  It means the world to me to connect with like minded people, and especially to read about your lifetime of commitment to exposing and changing such painful abuse to these beautiful, sentient creatures.  The laboratory you describe is disturbing to me beyond words.  I truly pray for a shift in which this kind of atrocity is no longer possible: when people who work there realize they are doing this to themselves, and simply cannot continue.  This is my prayer in this life.  Anyway, people like you and 4nokill give me hope.  Thank you.

      • MinaYindra says:

        4NoKill TristanLuke I respect your positions. Tristan and you are actually in agreement on a lot of things and I believe the only real obstacle is the word PETA. Tristan is understandably angry- I always was, particularly as a younger person with so much energy and moral rectitude on my side… and, as I said, I was always a supporter of their positions until I found out about the Pit Bulls and then the shelter euthanizations. I believe ALL animals have the same equal rights to be free from fear, torture, being used for our entertainment and being placed in dangerous foreign environments for our profit-making. Covance Laboratories, right down the street from where I live, does horrific lab tests on dogs every day- as well as primates, rats, mice and who knows what else (oh yes, cats too). There is no excuse for any of this, just like there is no excuse for Michael Vick and his “redemption” after what he did. And 4NoKill, you live your life in an admirable way and you have the same philosophy all three of us do- that ALL life is precious. You don’t have to change anything about yourself! I have found though, as I have progressed through so many years on this front, that I find more and more things personally unacceptable to me and yet I find the one organization that supposedly shared my philosophies years ago apparently off the deep end! There are other groups out there working just as hard for what Tristan, you and I all want- but they don’t believe in destroying animals to “save” them or supporting breed discriminatory laws to drive them out of a state and into euthanasia rooms by the hundreds and will be thousands eventually. I hope everyone can focus on how you are all doing a wonderful job for the animals to the best of your ability- and if you ever progress o firmer feelings about new levels of what you can’t tolerate, we will all be thrilled.

        • 4NoKill says:

          MinaYindra Thank you Mina for sharing your letter, and being one of the few it seems that is educated and doesn’t donate money blindly.. If you want a recommendation for where to leave your lifes work, No Kill Advocacy center fights to save all companion animals from being killed in shelters like PETA, they help fight legistlation mandating BSL, they work tirelessly to save feral cats and the 4-6mil losing their lives in “shelters” by helping implement the No Kill Equation. Just in case you were needing ideas :) Thank You again for taking the time to share!

        • TristanLuke says:

          MinaYindra 4NoKill TristanLuke Mina, thank you again for your very well written comments and for clarifying all this on PETA and pit bulls.   You’re right, I am in agreement with 4NoKill and she doesn’t need to change her life at all.  In fact I am thrilled to find others with this level of compassion and awareness.  Thank God.  Thank you again for the thoughtful comments, and for setting me straight.  Thank you also for sharing your letters with PETA.  You write so well. 

      • TristanLuke says:

        4NoKill thank you so much for your sincere response.  You are clearly an amazing friend to animals, and it does me good to read about it.  I am with you, on your side, and support 100% the amazing life you live of real compassion to animals.  

  29. tkdyer says:

    How many dogs and cats enter shelters annually? 8 million. (Some put it as low as 6 million, but I am going to use a “worst case” scenario.)Of those how many are savable? 90 percent or just over 7 million.Of those how many will be saved? 4 million.How many of the savable animals are killed? 3 million.How many need to find new homes? If shelters are doing their jobs comprehensively, just over 2 million (3 million on the high end). The remainder should be increased reclaims or in the case of feral cats, TNR’d .Other than those who will adopt from a shelter as a matter of course (those saved above), how many people in the U.S. are looking to bring a new dog or cat into their home next year but have not decided where they will get the animal and can be influenced to adopt from a shelter? 17 million. So, 17 million people for 2-3 million dogs and cats.

  30. BaltimoreGal says:

    It’s amazing how many people I have had to enlighten over the years about this very fact. PETA cares more about principles than animals and that is a sad, sad thing. It’s also clear they know nothing about these dogs or their owners.

  31. AmandaFitzgerald says:

    I had written PETA  a similar letter of malcontent and got the same reply. I am not longer a PETA supporter based on their views of pit bulls. Maybe if enough pit bull lowers contact PETA and tell them why they are no longer supporting them, a change will happen. 

  32. AmandaFitzgerald says:

    I had written PETA a similar letter of malcontent and got the same reply. I am not longer a PETA supporter based on their views of pit bulls. Maybe if enough pit bull lovers contact PETA and tell them why they are no longer supporting them, a change will happen.

  33. Hey Everyone! This is a good conversation but let’s please remember to keep comments respectful across the board, both when discussing PETA and their leadership and when conversing with each other.In any community there are always going to be different opinions on issues, but one thing that brings us together is a desire to make the world a better place for pit bulls. Let’s focus on that and remember we are all on the same team.

    • Judithg says:

      LauraPetrolino I do not support them, trust them or listen to their nonsense.   While respecting your opinion Laura, I cannot ever see PETA as an advocate for pitbulls or for any animal for that matter.  I have been involved in rescue for years and they are the last ones I’d ever see as an advocate.

      • Judithg I wrote this article, so obviously I’m not asking you to support them or see them as an advocate for pit bulls. I’m just asking for us all to keep the conversation respectful :)

        • ONE4Animals says:

          LauraPetrolino Judithg  I’m trying to but it’s hard..there’s a lot of peoples angry you know..I will try harder..

  34. adoremydogs says:

    If the previous owner of my Jack had had a better throwing arm he would have been tossed out of a moving car over the side of a highway flyover.  He would be dead.  Instead he went to a shelter, from there a rescue, and from there into my arms.   In PETA’s eyes that might have been better for Jack, to be dead.  But my Jack makes me a better person, a better human.  He fills my heart with joy.  Is he a slave?  Think not.   All I want from him, is what he gives me – unconditional love. When I go to work my two pits go to my brother’s for doggy daycare, to play with his 3 dogs.  Is he chained, left outside, to be toughened?  No.  He’s by my side from the moment I get home to the moment I go to work again.  He’s a big baby, no tough guy here – do I care?  No.  He makes me a better person.  So if he did not exist, as PETA would prefer, I’m not sure what kind of human I would be today.  I am forever thankful that I was blessed with my Jack and my Vanna. 

  35. lakota says:

    beautifully stated. Any radical or fundamentalist view never comes from a balanced state of being. You can smell it a   mile away.  it is quite sad .

  36. ReneeMKeller says:

    Great article!!!  I wish more people would take a closer look at what PETA really stands for.  

  37. TristanLuke says:

    If you buy factory farmed meat and use cosmetics tested on animals, you might have a less than conscious reason to oppose PETA, or call them extremist.  In fact, you don’t want to face the horrors you are contributing to daily:  horrors that make this issue about pit bulls and this lady’s estate look pretty light in comparison.  I think Pit Bulls can make wonderful family pets, and I am for the most stringent measures to prevent dog fighting and bring all who participate in it to swift justice.  Let’s take the wider view though, and realize that if we love Pit Bulls that much, we should acknolwedge the suffering of dogs in testing labs, baby calves crying in unimaginable pain and loneliness in veal crates, fur animals awaiting electrocution probes, and feeling mammals of all kinds that truly need our help in this culture of extreme denial and willful ignorance of endemic cruelty.  Let’s focus on the real issues and make changes in our own lives and buying habits that start to change this extremely aberrant situation, okay?  Culture is not what it seems.  Right beneath the surface there is horrifying cruelty, and realizing and addressing this is where our real responsibility lies.  Thank you to Stubby Dog and others like them that raise awareness about the sweetness and sincerity of our canine friends. 

    • BaltimoreGal says:

      TristanLuke And many of us who put our hands, time, and money in the animal rescue/advocacy world in fact do not buy factory farmed meat, use cosmetics or any item tested on animals, or go near furs. But it doesn’t change the fact that PETA thinks our rescued animals are “less than” and call us things we are not. It is incorrect and irresponsible on their part.

      • TristanLuke says:

        BaltimoreGal TristanLuke You’re right.  Thank you for pointing this out.  I agree. 

      • TristanLuke says:

        I really had aimed my posts at far different people than yourselves, who I think want to marginalize activists, when in fact we are just the ones who have allowed ourselves to see the senseless horror and speak up about it.  People like you truly give me hope, and I thank you.  I honestly was aiming at a much different type, who I found posted below using the term “extremist”.  The only extreme is how dishonest our culture is about this cruelty and injustice.  But I see that you agree and thank you.   Tell me, is PETA basically good?  Do they do more good than harm?  If not, is there an alternative group to support?  Once again, thank you to you guys for restoring my faith and hope.  You really mean a lot to me.

        • adoremydogs says:

          You know Tristan, just because the majority of the responders do not support PETA, does not mean that they do not support the ethical, humane, treatment of all animals.  This organization, PETA, has defined what “they” believe to be “ethical”, which includes killing pets turned over to them.  I am always thinking about the big picture, it breaks my heart to think of how humans treat animals. Every email, every petition, every senate hearing, I sign, read, or attend reminds of how the culture really is.   I just cannot, will not, support any entity that would kill my dogs, whether it be PETA, BSL legislation, law enforcement, etc.

        • tkdyer says:

          TristanLuke Aw, thank you.  We are all fighting the good fight.

        • TristanLuke says:

          adoremydogs You are right!  Thank you so much for pointing that out.  I really am thrilled to connect with like minded people here.  I took one comment and made assumptions about you guys that were mistaken.  I thought people were using this issue to write off animal activism, which you clearly are not.  In fact, you have raised issues I didn’t know about regarding PETA.  So, my mistake, and thank you so much for letting me know about these issues with PETA, and for letting me find out you exist.  It really gives me hope.  Truly.  Thank you again. 

        • TristanLuke adoremydogs @tkdyer I love these kind of discussions. We can all learn from each other and we are all out for the same goals! So great to see this!And Tristan, welcome to the StubbyDog community, I can tell already you’ll fit in perfectly!

        • TristanLuke says:

          LauraPetrolino TristanLuke adoremydogs Thank you Laura for such kind words.  Thank you also for the welcome.  I sometimes feel a little alone on this issue of animal welfare, so it gives me hope to see all the people above, including the ones that set me straight on their reasons for opposing peta. 

        • adoremydogs says:

          And this is exactly how change comes about!  AWESOME GROUP!!

      • TristanLuke says:

        BaltimoreGal Just want to thank you again for pointing this out.  I really aimed my comments at a different kind of poster: ones I thought were irate about their pets while blithely missing the suffering of billions of factory farm and testing animals.  That is clearly so not you, and I’m finding, apparently many at all here; thank you so much for setting me straight on this.  I fully, 100% support the amazing and example setting life you are living.  Thank you for taking the time to respond to me, and clarify.   I truly appreciate it, and you.  

        • BaltimoreGal says:

          TristanLuke Thank YOU. I appreciate you taking my statement in the manner I gave it. People are very passionate about the causes they believe in, especially when it comes to animals, but we all have to be careful (and we are ALL guilty of this at one time or another) not to make assumptions. There certainly are people with blinders on, who only see one way to do things, or will only look at one issue and ignore the surrounding facts or underlying causes. What I enjoy about groups like Stubby Dog is the willingness to listen to the opinions of many and lack of judgement prevalent in so many well-meaning organizations. Only through dialogues like the one here will we be able to move forward. 

    • BaltimoreGal says:

      TristanLuke And many of us who put our hands, time, and money in the animal rescue/advocacy world in fact FO NOT buy factory farmed meat, use cosmetics or any item tested on animals, or go near furs. But it doesn’t change the fact that PETA thinks our rescued animals are “less than” and call us things we are not. It is incorrect and irresponsible on their part.

    • tkdyer says:

      TristanLuke why do you assume that I eat meat and that I buy products tested on tortured animals? However, THIS article/letter was about Pit Bulls and PETA – not the other atrocities.

    • ONE4Animals says:

      TristanLuke I saw the video: Earthlings (COMPLETE MOVIE) Animal Cruelty Treatment Fur Meat Vivisection, on YOUTUBE. It changed my life immediately and the life of my partner. If anyone is brave enough to watch it and be informed of what goes on besides what you see in the typical TV ad on dog and cat abuse..I certainly invite you. I had no idea. These atrocities of prolonged suffering before death of slaughter and abuses was unbearable and has to stop! Thank you for your post. It’s about time people stop closing their eyes and see, about time they stop closing their ears and hear..the screams, the howls, the yelps, the cries…the cruelty..<iframe width=”560″ height=”315″ src=”http://www.youtube.com/embed/videoseries?index=5&list=PLF56872969A5C0061&hl=en_US” frameborder=”0″ allowfullscreen></iframe>

  38. rn4pitbulls says:

    Mina you rock!  PETA is PETSA (people for the ethical treatment of some animals).  So, so sad.

  39. nvr2mnypets says:

    Savethepets.net is an organization, while not perfect, goes against all the bull crap of PETA. Ts 100% volunteer organization, along with other local rescues has almost completely turned our entire county to a No-Kill county. It’s unfortunate that we still have a single kill shelter in town but they have so much public pressure about it, its only a handful a year that get put down. Educate, advocate and volunteer for what you believe in and it CAN happen in your community.

  40. tkdyer says:

    PETA – People for the Euthanization of Treatable Animalsand for those who argue about testing on animals and meat eaters – why do you assume that I eat meat and that I buy products tested on tortured animals?

  41. adoremydogs says:

    I think that everyone can agree that it is important to find out as much as one can about an organization who represents itself as an animal advocate, when supported financially or otherwise. 
    Insightful article…..thanks for printing it Laura, thanks for sharing it Mina

  42. apple_72 says:

    All I can say is WOW and thanks!!!! from Apple the Pit Bull and her mom Shannon

  43. ONE4Animals says:

    Shame on you PETA! I will no longer support you, no, no more donations…what a pity..you have just made it hard for ALL dogs and animals. Pit bulls are as loving and sweet as any other dog, it’s the abusers that should go to prison! The ones who train and abuse them to make them aggressive. Please everyone, don’t forget to write your Senators, there is a bill up for abusing animals to be a felony..if they don’t vote on it..don’t vote for them..please

  44. ONE4Animals says:

    I Will no longer support PETA!!! Pit bulls are loving and sweet like all dogs, shame, shame, shame on you PETA and you are are abusers!!! Horray for you Mina!!!

  45. ONE4Animals says:

    I think this is outrageous! Pit bulls are as sweet and loving as any other dog, it’s some of the other jerks (that’s putting it mild) that train them and abuse them to be fighters and attackers. PETA..SHAME ON YOPU! I will not support you anymore! Hooray for you in the upmost  Mina!!!

  46. wmsm76 says:

    Thank you, Mina, for stating the truth so beautifully.

  47. Judithg says:

    Mina, your words were inspirational.  I respect your candor and your willingness to speak out above the hype that PETA continues to spew.  I was a member back in the late 80′s when they stood for something good.  Now?  I don’t know what  they stand for but I think big donations has something to do with it.  

  48. rn4pitbulls says:

    Exactly, our gripe is with PETA’s stance on pitbull type dogs, not with them treating all OTHER animals ethically; clearly that is common sense.  PETA’s name is inversely proportionate to their stance on pitbull type dogs.  The fact that they support BSL speaks volumes and is a knife in the heart to all the responsible pitbull owners, advocates, resuces, fosters and communities that fight BSL on a daily basis.  BSL kills dogs, breaks up families, is discriminatory and has overwhelmingly been proven costly to tax payers and completely ineffective.  PETA neeeds to re-evaluate their stance if they ever want support from the pitbull community (which is worldwide and strong).

  49. SusanStelljes says:

    If they called for a ban breeding yorkies, cockapoos or poodles, there would be more flack from the general public. They focus on pit bulls because they want to continue the demonizing of the creatures. If they spent the kazillions of donation dollars on spay/neuter programs in the communities that most need them. Instead, they prefer to dump the bodies at the nearest Piggly Wiggly.

  50. chulasmeme says:

    Thank you Mina. Your letter was passionate, humane and honest. Thank you for standing up for all of us who love our dogs, no matter the breed. I never imagined myself being the meme of a pit bull. I’m 55 years old and about as “macho” as any meme. My dog came to me broken, with love she is now a happy, well adjusted dog who is a full member of our family. We are better human beings because of her. Keep advocating for all of us. Chula’s meme

  51. spiralmama says:

    Wow Mina–brilliant! Thank you for your articulate response that speaks for so many of us. Like you, I supported PETA for many years but stopped about 3 years ago when I started hearing about their stance on pit bulls and their unfortunate lack of advocacy against shelter animal euthanasia in general. With enough feedback from former supporters, maybe they’ll realize that they need to change.

  52. CMili says:

    Thank you , Mina, for saying so eloquently in words what I feel deep in my soul.  When Oliver chose me – as an 8 week old pup – almost 3 years ago, I really had no idea that he was a Pit.  The only thing I saw was an overly loving kissy, cuddly puppy who REALLY intended on going home with me.  He has never been mistreated (a bit too spoiled with lovin’ maybe).  All he knows is that veggies taste wonderful, people are for giving smooches and getting lots of physical attention from. He knows his toys by either color or name, and napping with “Mom” is comforting.They are a wonderful breed, and yes, GOOFY as all get out.Hopefully, PETA will pay a bit more attention.  I am disgusted at your information regarding their support for BDL.When I was young, I was bitten on two different occasions by a Doberman and once by a German Shepard. I have long ago put aside my prejudices regarding these breed.  perhaps, someday, PETA will as well.

    • CMili says:

      CMili   I neglected to mention that my Pit, Oliver, became my service dog at age 1.  He makes a wonderful Pit spokesdog as so many people are shocked to see him in his handsome service vest, right by my side or laying down next to me if I am in line at the pharmacy, etc.  When we go to the library, I am always getting a kick out of the older ladies who come up to me, whisper in my ear “I have a Pit too, aren’t they wonderful?”, and just giggle.  The sad part is that we all feel as if we are in the prohibition and are doing something possibly illegal.  THIS PART HAS GOT TO CHANGE!

  53. JonRivera says:

    Well I think they have a point. For example, the quickest easiest and cheapest way to stop world hunger is to fly over and drop bombs on any area that has kids starving. Kill them all and in a matter of months you get rid of starving kids.

    • TroyWay says:

      JonRivera Do you believe that to be a long term solution?  Of course, its not.  What purpose does it serve?  You can kill all the starving kids today, but people will have more kids tomorrow.  People will continue breeding pit bulls just as people will continue having kids, no matter how many laws are passed or how many “bombs are dropped”.  Killing them is not a solution.  If laws were designed to PROTECT these animals from the thugs and abusers and lowlifes you would find things would change for these dogs.  There would be less breeding, less dog fighting, less darkness surrounding them.  If they were cast in a positive light more of them would be adopted to responsible loving homes, more would be spayed and neutered, and less would end up in shelters.  Until the laws change to help get these dogs out of the “gangster” limelight, nothing will change.  Killing them all only hurts the dog, the irresponsible human gets away scott free.

      • MinaYindra says:

        TroyWay JonRivera  I believe, if I haven’t missed the point, that JonRivera was making a sarcastic analogy to PETA’s actions- in that case, both of you agree completely!  :)

    • bazcat says:

      JonRivera HAHAHA. very true. In fact they could use that same theory to animal abuse. Kill all people and then animal abuse won’t be an issue.

  54. Matt.S says:

    Well said, Mina. It’s sad enough what peta’s doing, then to speak down to us on top of it all. Pathetic.

  55. EmilyAsh says:

    I would like to offer a suggestion for your donations if you would consider it to take the place of you PETA donation if you still want to give something. Either your local town shelter or http://www.natureconservancy.ca/en/ The sad thing is, the face PETA has shown to the public has been a very different face to the public than what their ultimate goal is – no animal companions ever, of any kind at any time. The rot has been deep in this organization for years but it is only now coming to light.

    • EmilyAsh says:

      keyboard malfunction deleted part of the sentence but not all of it…. “the sad thing is, The face peta has shown has been very different than what their ultimate goal is

    • BeccaFergusonWatson says:

      EmilyAsh A local shelter is quite typically government or taxpayer funded.  Look for a rescue or sanctuary.  If you search google there are tons of us out there!  And all of us need help….

      • Matt.S says:

        I agree that local rescue’s need money to continue what we do. However, some very well run privately funded shelters are vital to what the rescue I’m with does. I’m not discouraging anyone from giving to local rescues, far from it, but not all shelters are government funded. That said, local rescues across the country are hurting finacialy and can always use the help.

        • BeccaFergusonWatson says:

          Matt.S Correct not all, but “typically” as I stated…and yes, rescues across the nation need help.  I am the director of a 501(c)(3) animal rescue, we take in anything, including livestock that needs help….we are not huge, we are very small, so we don’t get the funding larger organizations get (grants, donations, etc) even though we are constantly looking, we have had to come up with different ways for people to “see” us….

        • Matt.S says:

          I feel ya. For every animal the rescue I’m with pulls from a pound or kill-shelter, many more are left behind. Like you, we do our best, but the funding, or lack thereof, limits what we can do.

        • BeccaFergusonWatson says:

          Matt.S Agree….I did say typically, and those are shelters, not rescues in my mind….I DO recommend that people actually check out where their money is going though….make sure they have the things they should (Secretary of State in good standing is a big one for us), if they have a website, look at their adoptables and adopted animals, look at their updates on animals that have been adopted….I am the director of a 501(c)(3), we work hard with little financial help.

        • BeccaFergusonWatson says:

          Matt.S Sorry didn’t know the first one posted ;)  Thank you….yes, budgeting is always difficult, and having to say no is the worst. 

      • Matt.S says:

        I feel ya. Limited funds mean limited numbers of animals are rescued. Like many, we face that painful reality everyday.

      • BaltimoreGal says:

        BeccaFergusonWatson gotta disagree with you on this one. BARCS Shelter, where I volunteer, is the only open admission shelter in the whole Baltimore area. While they would certainly love to be no-kill they get approximately 15,000 animals turned in per year. They work very hard on a limited budget, sending 50-100 animals to rescue every month and working with local rescue. They also especially promote pit bull adoptions. While they get taxpayer funded the volunteers and donations are what allow them to be more than just another municipal shelter. Rescues are terribly important but the shelters that they aid are also important. cc: EmilyAsh 

  56. MinaYindra says:

    I want to thank each and every one of you. What a joy it is to know that so many people love and care about the animals- sometimes it’s hard to remember this when you’re out in general society. I have enjoyed each and every comment I have read here (and I read them all) and I hope you’ll keep them coming… we learn from each other and, hopefully, the public will start to learn from our example. You are all wonderful, loving people and I know there are many animals blessing you tonight. I’m proud to be a member of such a wonderful group!!

    • heatherhrc says:

      MinaYindra I much rather be around animals than most people I know or the general public!!!!

    • Jan in Sun Valley says:

      MinaYindra Mina, thank you so much for taking the time to write such an articulate and calm response to PETA. It is so easy in these cases to allow our anger, frustration and bewilderment to be expressed in hostile ways that are not helpful. If there is ANY chance of PETA understanding, it will only come through dialogues like yours.    I led philanthropic efforts at numerous charities over the years and always tried to convey the power that each person has to truly make a difference in this world. Whether it is a monthly donation or a legacy gift, the charities we choose to support say everything about who we are and what matters most to us in the world.  I hope you will find another organization that supports your passion and love for animals.    Many blessings to you!P.S. Love the photo of your little companion. What a cutie.    :>

      • MinaYindra says:

        Jan in Sun Valley MinaYindra   That is my Addie as a baby- she is now 72 pounds of solid muscle and, as we discovered yesterday, she is capable of vaulting over a 6 foot fence!  She is going to cost Mom and Dad a lot of money but we stand in amazement at her beauty and agility- we just don’t want some crazy person screaming “Pit Bull Attack!” and having her put to sleep or shot by the police here.  You can see her in the Stubby Dog archives- she certainly changed to a far more toned and “rippling” female than I’ll ever be!  lol  Thank you for the compliments.  I too believe that name calling and screaming will usually only set your cause back- but I reserve the right to do this,and maybe more, should Michael Vick ever show up at my front door!  lol

  57. Cat and dog says:

    I volunteer at a no kill shelter. Many of our dogs are pit mixes. They are loving wonderful, smart dogs. They do get adopted but some don’t. But I feel that true of all our dogs. I have worked with pits there an I love them. They get a bad rap because some people are cruel. I can’t believe PETA has this opinion. Maybe they should reconsider their stand on this issue. People are cruel to all kinds of dogs and cats. Hoarding is horrible to animals and we deal with them too. that doesn’t mean we should give up on any of them.

  58. Judithg says:

    I do not think PETA will change their stance on anything until they fire Ingrid Newkirk.  She is the director and the person behind the current attitudes at PETA.  It has been known for a long time that PETA has lost a lot of support due to their attitudes on pits as well as other animals.  They talk the talk but they do not walk the walk.  HSUS is unfortunately, suffering from the same dismal reputation in spite of their slick TV ads and magazines.  Wayne Pacelle (Who was in favor of exonerating Michael Vick) is a very rich man as the president of HSUS.  According to many sources, only 2% of their total monetary intake goes to the animals.  I cannot begin to say how disgusting this is.   Until animal activism is actually saving animals and not letting directors (Pacelle) ride in stretch limo’s, we will continue to see the animals suffer. 

    • spiralmama says:

      Judithg These are really good points and the reason that all my animal rescue $$ goes to small, local orgs that I know are helping animals!

  59. heatherhrc says:

    “Absolutely! But PETA must consider that people who have good intentions rarely come to a shelter to adopt pit bulls; almost without exception, those who want pit bulls are attracted to the “macho” image of the breed as a living weapon and seek to play up this image by putting the animals in heavy chains, taunting them into aggression, and leaving them outside in all weather extremes in order to “toughen” them”  PETA, you are so wrong!!! I went to my local SPCA to specifically adopt a pit!!! Ive wanted one my whole life!!! And no, I didnt get her because Im attracted to the “macho” image of the breed nor has she or will she ever be in heavy chains. I do not believe in that! She wears a harness instead of a collar. And she strictly stays inside unless its time to go out or shes outside with me! How dare you accuse the honest ones who adopt simply because they love the breed.

    • ValerieSherman says:

      heatherhrc You, are the kind of “owner” I am most familiar with who own pitbulls. I know about the news reports regarding fighting dogs and young inner city men. I don’t personally know any of those type of owners. Most of the people I am aware of are young or middle aged white women, with children or young in the home. They also generally have multiple dogs and/or other domestic animals, cats, rodents, etc as pets. So, even though I am only one and so are you, it adds up. PETA is disgusting and the truth is finally coming to the front very quickly with social media.

      • heatherhrc says:

        ValerieSherman heatherhrc I do not know any of those owners either.  If I did ,I would take action!!!  I just have Mea. She doesnt like cats or sharing me lol.  Ill be 29 soon and sometimes its a struggle to take her out. I have some back issues and with all her stregenth, it came be hard at times. But I would never, ever get rid of her. I dont care if I had to crawl on my hands and knees to take her out, I’d do it. I go to all measures to protect her and I always will!!!! PETA is disgusting! I was in shock with my jaw dropped wide open when I read this!!!

        • ValerieSherman says:

          heatherhrc not to be a know it all, but the best money I ever spent on Lacy was for a behaviorist to get her pulling under control. She heals nicely now, even though it’s not perfect. I am a 5″ 50 year old woman and when we trained this, I was in my 40′s and the kids were under 15 years old..it made walking her so much nicer and she stopped the bolting…a very important thing to consider with such a powerful animal. Now that I’ve moved farther into the country, it helps with her around the wildlife. 

        • heatherhrc says:

          ValerieSherman heatherhrc Finacially can not do that right now = (  in the near future tho!!

  60. LilyannScottAyres says:

    Mina you are truly a wonderful person, I feel exactly the same as you, every living creature should have a chance, I also do not like the fact that they used Michael Vick as a reformed character and a lover of dogs, he has shown no remorse, if fact it has gained him popularity which he is using to bring the big bucks! For what he did and how he was punished and reinstated by the NFL makes me sick to my stomach, I will never forget it and truly believe if he was not caught he would still be doing this horrific inhumane crime against our Pit bulls,. PETA gives a definite negative character towards Pit bulls, this is canine racism which I am dead against. PETA has lost my vote and help, I thank you for sticking up for all our canine creatures, I love and trust them more than humans.

    • MinaYindra says:

      LilyannScottAyres   Michael Vick, as anyone with any training in psychology/psychiatry can tell you (and anyone with any heart or common sense), is a sadistic sociopath.  He will never be repentant for what he has done because he is incapable of having those feelings.  These people bring nothing but sadness, destruction and torture to those around them- and they frequently start with animals.  In Vick’s case, he just made abusing and torturing animals his lifetime “sport.”  I can’t speak to what he does at home but I do know what he did to those dogs- and he has easily forgiven himself because, in his mind, he has never done any wrong and he wouldn’t care if he did.  That is why I find his self-serving ads so appalling, especially where he pretends to wipe away a tear.  The only thing (and I do mean thing) that Vick cares about is himself.  What a shame that there are people and organizations in this society that continue to support such a creature.

      • MaryMcMahon says:

        MinaYindra I agree it is outrageous he is so supported and playing football as if nothing had happened.  That PETA and others including unfortunately President Obama support him is not helpful.  He is a terrible example for any young person, he should be banned from sports. And God forbid he is ever allowed to own another dog.

      • adoremydogs says:

        Vick only quit because he got caught.  What he did was done for pure pleasure.  That kind of evil cannot be “fixed” with a few months in prison, where he was probably treated like a king.  That kind of evil cannot be fixed…..

        • judy says:

          I totally agree!! Vick shows NO REMORSE for his greedy,low-life,inhumane actions towards the dogs (let alone for ANY animal)and the ONLY reason he’s doing so called “lectures” supporting the education on animal welfare which Wayne Pacelle gave him this opportunity is the fact ::; TO MAKE HIM LOOK GOOD!! I ask ALL of you to look into the salaries of the CEO’S of animal charities and then decide how much or even IF you’ll continue to support them! WHAT A DEPRESSING THOUGHT THAT INNOCENT ANIMALS PAY THE ULTIMATE PRICE!!!!

  61. TristanLuke says:

    Hi there Mina, Laura, and all here at stubbydog.  I’m sure you guys already know, but thought you would be pleased that Massachusetts signed S2192 this month: which among other things, prohibits breed specific legislation.  I live in Amherst, Mass and called Gov. Patrick’s office yesterday to thank them.  It seems to be good news for Pit Bull advocates, and a step forward in humane treatment for our little friends.  http://stopbsl.org/2012/07/24/massachusetts-s-2192-moves-forward-would-prohibit-bsl-statewide/

    • jennmartinelli says:

      TristanLuke Yes, that is a great piece of legislation. Unfortunately Mayor Menino and some other politicians in Boston are trying to get special permission to keep the Boston-specific BSL they have in place.I sincerely hope that doesn’t work. I’m so disappointed in my city for trying to pull that crap. I was super proud of the governor when he signed that legislation.

      • TristanLuke says:

        jennmartinelli TristanLuke Hey Jen.  Yes, when I called them yesterday, they guy seemed surprised!  Maybe they don’t get that many calls thanking them for something?  I’m surprised to hear this about Boston.  What?  I read  that it will be more difficult after October for municipalities to grandfather themselves and ignore this law.  I hope that’s true.  I mean, hello, they passed the thing from Boston, I believe.  If it doesn’t apply there, then where else?  They can’t say oh, that’s true everywhere but here where we signed it.  I doubt your Pit Bulls in Boston know they’re in Boston.  It sounds like that Menino is missing the whole point.  What I think they should do: crack down extra strong and appoint a task force to investigate and prosecute anyone involved with making these dogs mean for dog fighting, drug activity, or anything like it.  Isn’t that the problem?  Those people are sick and a scourge on this culture.  That way he could feel “tough” and “strong” as a mayor (stupid qualities to aspire to anyway), and actually address a real issue, one that affects all of us. 

        • MaryMcMahon says:

          TristanLuke jennmartinelli If they would be serious about enforcing the laws on dog fighting, most of these problems (maybe all) would go away.  What will it take to make our law enforcement do what is supposed to do?  Meanwhile, the animals and those who love them have to suffer.  We need our civic leaders to respond to what we the people want – starting with being serious about enforcing the law.  It’s always the good people and the animals who have no say.  Time for change has come.

        • TristanLuke says:

          MaryMcMahon TristanLuke jennmartinelli Mary, I agree! 

    • adoremydogs says:

      Great news!  Thanks for sharing and being involved!

  62. MarissaDeLosRios says:

    Thank you Mina. I had had it with PETA when I read that they kill 95% of the animals they save and are against No Kill. Worse is their stance on feral cats. All should be killed because they kill birds. Well so do tigers and many other protected animals. They are certifiable and so is any animal lover who supports them. The majority of my babies are former ferals and the most innocent gentle creatures! My current feral Foster’s name happens to be…Mina! :)

    • MinaYindra says:

      MarissaDeLosRios   Now THAT made me smile!!!  :)

    • MaryMcMahon says:

      MarissaDeLosRios I so agree with you, Marissa, and if they are truly concerned about birds, PETA should work on eliminating urban sprawl and the destroying of natural habitats – done by mankind, not animals.  Cats and birds are part of nature – that’s just the way it is.  In my experience,feral  cats catch very few birds, some mice, rabbits, bugs.  It’s nature’s way, we might like it, but that’s how it works.  The continual tearing down trees and destroying habitat and abandoning cities is much much harder on the birds that feral cats.  I have had feral cats over the years and I agree, they are the sweetest, most docile, rewarding animal you could ever have – and the ones who can’t be adopted deserve to live good lives too.  Shame on PETA, don’t they just make you sick?

  63. BeccaFergusonWatson says:

    Thought you all would LOVE to see this:  This is the ACTUAL BASKET FROM PETA that arrived at Shelby County Animal Shelter after making a rash desperate announcement a few days ago that they would start killing again (which with public and rescue outreach they have gotten themselves back under control, and will continue to be no kill)  Attcahed card says, “Thank you for doing the right thing for animals.  THE PETA STAFF”  Thank you Nathan Winograd!!  https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=478640638826852&set=a.159167054107547.34833.159092957448290&type=1&theater

  64. Team Beaglebratz says:

    With this one statement “those who want pit bulls are attracted to the “macho” image of the
    breed as a living weapon and seek to play up this image by putting the
    animals in heavy chains, taunting them into aggression, and leaving them
    outside in all weather extremes in order to “toughen” them.”  With that one statement, PETA only proved to REAL dog lovers all over the world how extremely short-sighted and closed-minded, not to mention how really stupid and how lacking their research really is.  That statement is nothing but pure profiling – not just the breed but they are saying ALL pit bull owners or those who wish to own one have nothing but evil in mind – isn’t this a form of slander?Before I knew better, I really thought that PETA was the best at protecting animals but I soon found out how wrong I was – when they show up here in my town for whatever excuse for “protecting the rights of animals” they are currently using, I do nothing but laugh and feel sorry for the poor souls who are duped into believing in PETA.  My social networking system is growing – I will never have anything positive to say about PETA on my Facebook, Twitter, Pinterest accounts or my blog.  I may not have the financial means to do much but words are powerful and I will use them when needed.Kim, Shiloh’n Shasta

  65. TristanLuke says:

    Hello all at stubbydog!  I discovered this sweet guy on FB today, via pet pardons.  http://apps.facebook.com/petpardons/pet-view/id/38288Apparently his owner has been transferred and can’t bring him.  One poster below said it may be due to specific regulations on a military base against Pits, which I think is senseless and wrong.  With spousal abuse rates in military families shockingly high compared to the norm, I would think they would recognize pets like a loving Pit bring love into the home and open people’s hearts.  Hopefully someone from Texas can find a place in their heart for this sweet boy.

    • TristanLuke Since you are new to our community you probably missed the whole series we did, highlighting the struggles of military families. It is a very sad situation. 

  66. Matt.S says:

    I went to my Congressman’s office awhile ago and filled out some papers expressing my disagreement with this policy. The reply said there’s not much can be done about it because military bases are not subject to civilian laws. I know there’s a little thing called the “Armed Services Committee”, so Congress can intervene should they choose. I’m not giving up on this issue.  

  67. Matt.S says:

    At the risk of sounding “holier than thou”, a friend once told me “Hate is like swallowing poison and hoping someone else will die.” It’s not easy, but I’m trying to keep this in mind. While what Vick did is an atrocity, hating him is, in my opinion a waste of time & resources badly needed in the ongoing struggle to end dog abuse happening now. why Vick quit is something for God to know and judge. I choose to move on and devote my time and energy to ending the animal abuse still going on. The dogs suffering right now need my full attention if they are to be saved from their abusers.

    • MinaYindra says:

      Matt.S I agree that you don’t need to live in hate- but you can’t afford to forget when someone does something like this either. It’s how they work their way back into a position of respectability and power- and we have seen what these twisted people do when they have that. Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it… and that would be the ultimate sin in this case.

      • Matt.S says:

        I agree we need to remember what happened. When dog fighting was associated with someone seen as “respectable” it is, for better or worse a culture defining moment. Our society will be judged by our response to this evil. We can dwell on Vick, or we can use this as motivation to press forward and shut down this sadistic practice where it’s still going on. Dismissing this atrocity is certainly not my intent. 

        • MinaYindra says:

          Matt.S No, I’m sure it’s not yohr intent at all! :) No one who truly loves animals can dismiss the acts of these monsters. I agree that we move on and use the focus he created on this evil as a means to help end it. For that, and that alone, I guess there was some purpose in the torture and murder of all those dogs. Their deaths have enlightened a lot of people to a horrible industry that exists under their noses and has caused some change in the laws and people’s perceptions. I don’t dwell in hate and I certainly don’t spend my days thinking about Vick- but I will always be there to remind anyone and everyone of what he has done whenever he attempts to don his cloak of respectability again. As we can see, he has already started arguing that he should be allowed to have dogs again- he can NOT be forgotten for the sadist he is and no animal should ever have to suffer by virtue of his sociopathy for the rest of his life. He is a KNOWN evil, one of the few we can actually keep track of and try to do something about. I think people’s anger doesn’t prevent them from doing great work with other animals- but I do think it motivates them to never forget and to always make it as difficult as possible for him to just “put this behind me”, as he is so fond of saying. I admire your spirit Matt, and I appreciate that you continue to work tirelessly for the animals… I do as well but I think I’ll carry your portion of the disgust for Vick with me. I will never, ever forget- I just couldn’t.Matt.S

        • adoremydogs says:

          I totally agree with Mina.  While I don’t dwell on Vick, everytime there is something in the news regarding him wanting dogs again, the emotion surges to the surface.  After reading The Lost Dogs, I doubt his name will ever not create an emotional response.  I empathize too much with the dogs he hurt,  tortured and killed. 

        • Matt.S says:

          I understand the emotional response, I’ve been there. My point is, that emotional response, while something anyone with a conscience experiences when confronted with something that horrific doesn’t in itself change things for the better. as for Vick wanting a dog, I believe firmly that he should NEVER, EVER, be allowed near an animal again. Allowing that to happen would be a HUGE breach of the public’s trust and more importantly a BIGGER breach of the responsibility the legal  system has to protect the animals! 

        • Matt.S says:

          I’ve been through the emotional response too. I get it. By nature I’m an emotional person so keeping that inside would poison me. I choose to move past my initial response for my own sake, not Vick’s. I agree that Vick should NEVER, EVER, be ALLOWED NEAR DOGS AGAIN. allowing that to happen would be a BETRAYAL of DOGS EVERYWHERE.

  68. Judithg says:

    Philisophically I agree with you Matt.  However, emotionally?  Not there yet.

  69. Judithg says:

    I meant, philosophically.   

  70. Matt.S says:

    I feel ya. Knowing the struggle didn’t end with Vick is all that drives me past that sometimes. Moving on emotionally has been hard for me also. The threats we still face, aka the warped agaenda of peta, keeps me focused. there’s still so much work to be done. Prayer is my only refuge in this storm. If I may dust off an old but still valid quote; “All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”   Edmund Burke

    • BaltimoreGal says:

      Matt.S I feel the same way Matt. I would rather spend no time lingering on past anger when there is other work to be done.

  71. ONE4Animals says:

    I HAVE BEEN A VERY ANGRY PERSON LATELY BECAUSE OF ALL THE CRUELTY I”VE SEEN..I NEED TO GET OVER THAT AND GET LEVEL-HEADED SO I CAN DO MY WORK AHEAD OF ME..THAT’S FIGHTING FOR ANIMAL RIGHTS!

  72. Judithg says:

    I find that there are times I am incapable of dealing with the horrid treatment of animals and babies.  Has it always been this bad or is it just that we are becoming more used to it?  My partner tells me to quit watching it, reading about it, dwelling on it, but I cannot.  Glad to know there are other people out there, quite remarkable people that are working overtime to change the status quo.

  73. TamiC says:

    Great job!  More people need to know who they are donating their money to and what is actually being used for.  Don’t just sit back and become angry, take action.  Volunteer, donate, foster and/or adopt!  Pay attention to the places   you spend your money at and always speak to others  so they can know the facts.  One pet at a time!

  74. MinaYindra says:

    Well, it had to happen.  I got blasted by my first PETA person a few days ago, on my personal FB page.  I appreciate and encourage all those who have pointed out the extreme irrationality of her statements.  Feel free to keep them coming- I have all the space in the world!  ;)

  75. Matt.S says:

    I was wrong. Now that Michael Vick has a dog, my previous position on this matter needs to be rethought.

    • MinaYindra says:

      I CAN’T be any more disgusted than I am now- but isn’t it typical that he hid it until he was caught by his own stupidity! How sad for yet another dog to be in his possession. It speaks volumes about how we value animals in this society when a monster who tortures and kills them is allowed to get another one- especially when he has NEVER admitted to doing anything and has certainly never apologized for it. This is what I was talking about Matt- and I’m glad you’ve seen the light. He is worth nothing but contempt. I would give him far more but, of course, he has all the rights here, not the victims. Pathetic!!!@Matt.S

      • Matt.S says:

        @MinaYindra
        Now Vick is playing the victim, saying the dog is for his kids and he’s just being a good dad, implying that any objections hurt his kids. I didn’t see this coming. (though I probably should have).

      • ONE4Animals says:

        @MinaYindra  Thank you very much! You said it very well! The only thing I might add is he is not only not deserving of another precious dog but that he  shouldn’t even legally have his children. Who knows the REAL story about what kind of ‘daddy’ he is. If he could be so cold blooded as to do these things to dogs, whats to say?? Just my thoughts. He is unfit to be a father or a dog owner in my opinion. It is said that people who abuse animals are more likely to abuse humans too. The laws suck.

  76. ONE4Animals says:

    You’re very right. After reading all this I should think so. Kudos.

  77. ONE4Animals says:

    @BaltimoreGal  Matt.S Sorry for my past ranting of anger. I have calmed down a bit now where I’m at least  able to control myself, that’s all I can say. But deep within, the anger still lies, don’t get me wrong, it DOES motivate to do the work. I have too. Because I love all animals. Michael Vick should not be allowed to own another dog, period. And  Martin Luther King, Jr. aid it well:”Never, never be afraid to do what is right, especially if the well- being of a person or animal is at stake. Society’s punishments are small compared to the wounds we inflict on our soul when we look the other way.”

  78. marie says:

    I can see what is shaping PETA to take these actions. However, I don’t think that their decision is very well thought-out. Like Mina implied, they are giving the PETA stamp to allow BSL to spread like wildfire across our nation. I understand that this has potential to reform those who abuse pit bulls but it puts the hundreds of responsible owners in a vulnerable position. How many Pitties were left out in the cold or taken to shelters because families were no longer allowed to keep them in their homes without being evicted?

    I had no idea that they supported BSL and that baffles me. I think Mina said everything in a very well manner and I hope that PETA can rethink their stance and adjust their approaches.

  79. Jackie Seal says:

    I, too, no longer have anything to do with PETA. They have gone in undercover to shut down some worthwhile animal rescue groups using dirty tactics. I volunteered at one of them and it was definitely not as they portrayed it. I cannot understand how a supposed “animal rights group” can do that – surely if they think an animal shelter or sanctuary is not doing its job, they should try to help, not destroy.

  80. Heather says:

    I had a similar exchange of emails with PETA many years ago. It’s sad they still have the same stance on the issue.

    Thank you Mina for your beautifully written message to PETA. Much love to you XOXO :)

  81. Emily English says:

    I have a pitbull because that was literally the only non-toy breed at my shelter. I wanted a dog to be my friend, go on adventures with me and curl up next to me in front of the tv at night. Best happenstance decision Ive ever made. She is even the reason I’m now in school to be a vet tech with a dream of being Tia Torres and openning a pitbull rescue one day. Before my dog, I was direcionless and lost, now she and I sleep under an autographed Tia t-shirt and she comes to class with me to be a helper dog for us. All while being deaf as a stump. She saved me. And now its my job to stand up for her breed. Sorry PeTA, you do wonderful farm works, but as far as companion animals, you are now my enemy.

  82. rayma daves says:

    Until recently, I was also a staunch supporter of PETA; I believed in their mission and gladly contributed financially. They are no longer on my list – well, actually they’re on my List but not one they want to be on! I recently found a pit puppy “for sale” and stopped to see if these were breeders. What I found was a single pup, chained outside without shelter, emaciated, bite wounds, frightened… I left with him. I did not pay for him. I did not have to call for “backup”. I am blessed. We are joined at the hip. My other dogs and cat must have recognized his horrific need because their acceptance was immediate and unbelievable. He’s blossoming. PETA would have had him killed because of his appearance? BSL is wrong. PETA is WRONG. How have they become so misguided? What happened to their compassion for all animals? How can they defend killing because an animal looks a certain way? I would defy anyone who tried to pry this wonderful baby from me. No more $$$ to PETA.

  83. Gina Crowe says:

    Peta obviously doesn’t know that the dog on the lil Rascals was a pit bull they are awesome family pets. Also from what I’ve seen on specials from people that rescue pits is that it’s rare for a pit to have the true aggression needed to be fighting dogs in the first place as well as the fact how about lobbying for more serious punishment of those that mistreat their animals instead of trying to ban ownership of certain breeds. There is no such thing as a bad dog only bad breeders and bad owners. When there are good owners and good responsible breeders in the picture a lot of our problems with so many abused and unwanted pets would actually come down to a more reasonable number. How about making people get a lic. to breed and regulate it more kinda like they do with alcohol lic. limit the amount in each state and etc. How about giving organizations like the humane society a bit more power where animals are concerned if it’s suspected that animals are abused. We got a persian cat from a breeder here in Hawaii that was malnourished and had giardia, ringworm, and earmites very badly as well as a gash over his eye. Humane society told us that they couldnt’ do anything because if they had food, shelter and water on the premises then they had to “let it go” and this kitten we got was obviously neglected and abused. It’s taken us 3 years to get him to even want to be petted and have human contact that’s how bad she did this kitten.

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